So I guess Marvel’s latest tactic it to make Peter a sad-sack who hangs his head and wonders what the point of it all is?
Zeb Wells broke his heart, then Landy broke his spirit in 8 deaths, and now we’re getting a retread of that.
It is possible to make a relatable Spider-Man that isn’t in a perpetual state of angst.
paul
9 months ago
As much as I want to see Peter and MJ together, this is actually refreshing to see Peter no longer willing to be her doormat.
That line, that the two of them (MJ and Venom) deserve each other, cuts deep. Now that she’s struggling, she wants Peter to be her friend. Where was she when he was struggling? Playing house with two fake kids, and some other guy.
As much as I love MJ, I don’t want to see her and Peter together in any way, shape, or form for a while.
He fought to bring her back from Rabin’s dimension, now let her fight for him.
I am curious, who is this woman that Peter is seeing on the sly? The obvious answer would seem to be Felicia, but who knows?
I agree with what you’re saying here, I also want to see these two together again, eventually. Maybe not immediately, and she definitely needs to get some bumps and bruises on the way, but that’s my hope.
That cold shoulder moment with Peter literally slamming the door on her face was definitely the most vindicating thing I’ve seen in Spider-Man for the last few years; it even tops that beat down Spider-Man gave Paul when he absorbed Norman’s evil.
After everything Peter went through to save MJ, not just from Paul’s dying dimension, but the countless times before, for her to callously leave him the way she did, she may as well have been spitting in his face. When Peter was possessed by Norman’s sins, he stated that Mary Jane betrayed him: he was 100% right.
Over and over again, Peter has proven that he would literally go to the ends of the Earth, the very edge of universes, for Mary Jane, and she betrayed that devotion, even after she promised herself that she would stay true to him. If the writers really want to show some depth of character with MJ, she needs to prove herself to Peter now by putting in the effort instead of him always going above and beyond for her.
I don’t know if I’d say that MJ betrayed him, so much as she … ran away from her problem. She didn’t know if she would ever see him again, and she fell into an ersatz family with Paul and the kids.
Actually, she literally told him (paraphrasing here though) some issues later that she always knew he would never give up and would find a way back to her. AND YET, she moved on to Paul in the meantime anyway! That conversation absolutely pissed me off. It actually made it worse. If she knew he’d never give up on her and would be back for her, then she is just deciding that she couldn’t wait long enough. And that, after she also said they’d always find each other in OMD and that she’d always be there for him during the Kindred arc before Zeb Wells and *puking sound* Paul. So, she didn’t think she might never see him again. Far worse, she just decided to move on anyway. That’s why I agree with everyone’s sentiment here in that she really needs a retcon of that thinking and treatment of Peter and needs to prove herself to him for a change. Then, and only then, I’d like to see them back together again.
Reading Rabbit
10 months ago
After the emotional BS that MJ put him through, it was actually really therapeutical to see Peter slam the door on her.
Now, don’t get me wrong, for the past few years that we Spider-Man fans have been suffering to see Mary Jane with that human turd Paul Rabin, I’ve wanted nothing more than to see that mistake corrected with MJ and Peter getting back together, but Mary Jane has more than earned this treatment.
A friend? That’s all she thinks of Peter? What she really believes is the extent of their relationship? Totally freaking insulting and undervalues what Peter went through. It’s not like Peter literally hopped through universes for her, burned bridges and nearly ruined friendships with the Fantastic Four and the Avengers all to save her from a dying reality, only to be told, “I know you went through a lot for me, and I’m glad you did, but I moved on with my life. Sorry”. You think just a “friend” would go through all that?
Now, after everything he’s been through personally, trying to move on with his life with whatever lame-ass relationships or dates he’s been having with other women, she suddenly shows up, gives some half-hearted talk about their past relationship after she cut him out of her life, all because she needs his help. The help of a “friend”. The last time Peter helped her, she didn’t just break his heart, she ripped it out. What’s he supposed to do, grovel at her feet and thank her for coming back into his life after kicking him to the curb? No effing way. I don’t see how anyone could hold this against Peter.
However, having said all of that, I do very much hope to see these two together again. Move past their mistakes and return to being the most iconic romantic pairing in all of Marvel comics.
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So I guess Marvel’s latest tactic it to make Peter a sad-sack who hangs his head and wonders what the point of it all is?
Zeb Wells broke his heart, then Landy broke his spirit in 8 deaths, and now we’re getting a retread of that.
It is possible to make a relatable Spider-Man that isn’t in a perpetual state of angst.
As much as I want to see Peter and MJ together, this is actually refreshing to see Peter no longer willing to be her doormat.
That line, that the two of them (MJ and Venom) deserve each other, cuts deep. Now that she’s struggling, she wants Peter to be her friend. Where was she when he was struggling? Playing house with two fake kids, and some other guy.
As much as I love MJ, I don’t want to see her and Peter together in any way, shape, or form for a while.
He fought to bring her back from Rabin’s dimension, now let her fight for him.
I am curious, who is this woman that Peter is seeing on the sly? The obvious answer would seem to be Felicia, but who knows?
I agree with what you’re saying here, I also want to see these two together again, eventually. Maybe not immediately, and she definitely needs to get some bumps and bruises on the way, but that’s my hope.
That cold shoulder moment with Peter literally slamming the door on her face was definitely the most vindicating thing I’ve seen in Spider-Man for the last few years; it even tops that beat down Spider-Man gave Paul when he absorbed Norman’s evil.
After everything Peter went through to save MJ, not just from Paul’s dying dimension, but the countless times before, for her to callously leave him the way she did, she may as well have been spitting in his face. When Peter was possessed by Norman’s sins, he stated that Mary Jane betrayed him: he was 100% right.
Over and over again, Peter has proven that he would literally go to the ends of the Earth, the very edge of universes, for Mary Jane, and she betrayed that devotion, even after she promised herself that she would stay true to him. If the writers really want to show some depth of character with MJ, she needs to prove herself to Peter now by putting in the effort instead of him always going above and beyond for her.
I don’t know if I’d say that MJ betrayed him, so much as she … ran away from her problem. She didn’t know if she would ever see him again, and she fell into an ersatz family with Paul and the kids.
Actually, she literally told him (paraphrasing here though) some issues later that she always knew he would never give up and would find a way back to her. AND YET, she moved on to Paul in the meantime anyway! That conversation absolutely pissed me off. It actually made it worse. If she knew he’d never give up on her and would be back for her, then she is just deciding that she couldn’t wait long enough. And that, after she also said they’d always find each other in OMD and that she’d always be there for him during the Kindred arc before Zeb Wells and *puking sound* Paul. So, she didn’t think she might never see him again. Far worse, she just decided to move on anyway. That’s why I agree with everyone’s sentiment here in that she really needs a retcon of that thinking and treatment of Peter and needs to prove herself to him for a change. Then, and only then, I’d like to see them back together again.
After the emotional BS that MJ put him through, it was actually really therapeutical to see Peter slam the door on her.
Now, don’t get me wrong, for the past few years that we Spider-Man fans have been suffering to see Mary Jane with that human turd Paul Rabin, I’ve wanted nothing more than to see that mistake corrected with MJ and Peter getting back together, but Mary Jane has more than earned this treatment.
A friend? That’s all she thinks of Peter? What she really believes is the extent of their relationship? Totally freaking insulting and undervalues what Peter went through. It’s not like Peter literally hopped through universes for her, burned bridges and nearly ruined friendships with the Fantastic Four and the Avengers all to save her from a dying reality, only to be told, “I know you went through a lot for me, and I’m glad you did, but I moved on with my life. Sorry”. You think just a “friend” would go through all that?
Now, after everything he’s been through personally, trying to move on with his life with whatever lame-ass relationships or dates he’s been having with other women, she suddenly shows up, gives some half-hearted talk about their past relationship after she cut him out of her life, all because she needs his help. The help of a “friend”. The last time Peter helped her, she didn’t just break his heart, she ripped it out. What’s he supposed to do, grovel at her feet and thank her for coming back into his life after kicking him to the curb? No effing way. I don’t see how anyone could hold this against Peter.
However, having said all of that, I do very much hope to see these two together again. Move past their mistakes and return to being the most iconic romantic pairing in all of Marvel comics.